Jessica Lorion is here with us to talk about the idea that we are all created as artists.
A breath of fresh air – a temperament and tone you will love! Can’t imagine seeing her on TV, on stage, or film! She’s an advocate for mom and not even a mom – which is SO rad!
Thank God that he brings people into our sphere to bring joy and Jessica is a joy giver! Even through struggle in her own life, He uses every high and low as a silver lining to thread His goodness and purpose!
Her Fun Bio:
An East Coast Girl... I grew up as an only child in Massachusetts where I studied piano, dance, and singing, but I also played soccer. Growing up with musical parents, I loved music and the arts. I was surrounded by it. I always had a passion for helping others, being a leader and organizing; whether it was my trapper-keeper growing up or my NYC apartment. I am also a thrill seeker like skydiving, zip lining and roller coasters.
A True New Yorker… I graduated from Shenandoah Conservatory in 2008, and after 11 years in the city, I’m now an official New Yorker. I live in Astoria with my passionate and loving actor husband, whom I met when I first moved. When I’m not performing, you can find me working out, at a local coffee shop, or spending time with my amazing support system of friends. I have always dreamed of living in the Big Apple and am blessed to call it home.
Always Learning… After taking a fabulous TV/film class by Heidi Marshall- I’ve found a new love for the camera. I have truly found an amazing group of teachers: acting, singing, TV/Film, business coaches…a real TEAM. They have transformed me as an actor and a person. I am learning how to be a mom before I am one- Being a mom is a heroic job and one that I aspire to do one day. Until that day comes, I’m learning everything I can about the job through interviews. Take a listen to @ThePumpingPodcast on iTunes, Spotify and GooglePlay.
Paying it Forward… Teaching, encouraging, and inspiring young artists is important to me. Whenever I can work with kids (whether in private sessions, master classes, judging special competitions, or choreographing high schools), I want to help today’s youth find their passion for performing. My hope is to also show them this business is a true lifestyle.
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Show Notes: We’re All Created as Artists
Sometimes I’m perplexed by the people that God brings into our field of vision, our circle of influence, and I’m always wondering, always grateful. Of course, I think it’s amazing to expand, and that’s where I think from a vision, cash scene, entrepreneur perspective. That’s amazing. However, I never know the full purpose and I never can see the stars align until I spend quality, dedicated time with people, and the podcast is truly that expression of love, of quality time, if you know the five… Let languages you know what I’m talking about, Gary Chapman rocks. If you don’t go check out the book, the resource is incredible, and you will literally love differently and more purpose and more intentionally knowing your love language and knowing the love languages, others… But today’s podcast guest, Jessica Lauren, was just a breath of fresh air. You’re gonna love her temperament, you’re gonna love her tone, I can’t even imagine going to see her in the mini stages or seeing her on TV for either a show or commercial or a film, but she’s an actor and she’s incredible. And she lives in New York City, and she went there right fresh from college with her two suitcases, and she’ll…
0:01:21 S1: Expand on that story as you listen, but she’s so much more than that, she’s an advocate for young and budding artist, she is an advocate for moms, and she’s not even a mom, so… That’s pretty rad. She has her own podcast, and I had the pleasure of being on that, the pumping pumping the podcast. You need to go check it out, but she really is just a light, and ultimately, I thank God for the fact that He brings people into our sphere who give us tips and tricks and trades and joy, and she’s a joy giver, and so I’m excited for you guys, to tune in to her today, and whether you think you’re an artist or not, I believe that we’re all born in that capacity with that gift, and so she is someone who wants to foster that and enhance it and give you more access to doing it yourself. And knowing that every side of who you are, including the struggles that she’s gone through with psoriasis and not being able to activate certain dreams based on that, it is evident that he uses all things and he can use every fact of who you are to bring to life, the god dream.
0:02:36 S1: The whole reason I design the god dream design course y’all, is to know that there are silver linings in all the highs and all of those, so wherever in finding you today, I hope that you are… Well, I help you a whole. I hope that you are pursuing your dreams, and if you feel stifled than that, you know in your buses, you know I’m a girlfriend, you know I’m your fellow passion is to touch base with me in the community outside of podcasting, outside of Instagram, outside of social… It is a place for dedicated experience and dedicated relationship, and so the links are in the show notes. Check it out, you can find it on my website at Tamara Andres dot com community, and I look forward to getting to know you. But more so, I look forward to sharing Jessica with you today. This is your God wink. The moment that heaven says, for such a time as this, It’s time to own your joy, prioritize your health, discover wealth and exude your wholeness, it’s time to become truly fit. However, this isn’t a fitness podcast, though I’m a retired personal trainer and a nutritionist, this is in business jargon or tips and tricks to Landing Your successful passion project.
0:03:53 S1: So that’s totally why I’m a business coach. This isn’t a quick fix health detox ploy, though I’m all for therapy and I love hopes, I do have a yellow since me too though, this isn’t confusing religious banter that I’m in ordain ministers still figuring out the many things and facets and faces of Jesus. It’s really none of that. So I’m wondering if you’re wondering what is this… Well, this is an opportunity to join me alongside other big dreamers, innovative movers and lifestyle shakers as we explore and share our messy comeback stories and discoveries with teaching you fellow passionate stickers, the fit-make movement with birds from my own trial and error discovery of mind body and soul alignment, and to be totally transparent, my own entrepreneurial crash or burn experiences, I’ve learned first-hand that being fit isn’t about archaic at all, it’s not about our qualifying abilities or titles, it’s not about our potential, it’s truly about our God-gifted passions, meeting our purpose. You are one step away from achieving your idea, your dream, your calling, your purpose, whatever you wanna call it, and I wanna be there for the moment that you say yes in Freedom, clarity and confidence that you are living fully fit and do and who you are, made to be, welcome to the bit and baited podcast with me, Tamara Andres.
0:05:22 S1: There is no better time than now to get it. Alright, welcome, welcome. We are so excited to be here today and ultimately just share the heart of two women who have come aligned in only connection through podcasting world, which I think is so cool. Usually when I bring people on, I’m like, Oh, we’re connected, just like this in the site, and so this is so fun for me because there’s gonna be so many elements to the conversation that’ll be a surprise for me, just like it’ll be a surprise for our guests, but I am grateful that you also had me recording on your podcast, which is a part of your bio, part of your intro, you guys… This is Jessica Lauren, and I love when I asked her, how do I say your last name? She said Just like Delorean, so I will not forget the DeLorean. We also have a local band for your best friend who lives in Virginia Beach, the DeLorean that she might be familiar with, they’re incredible. But yeah, so Jessica has a rap sheet that will wow you and everything from film to TV, to stage and theater, acting, she lives in the Big Apple, which is surely a part of her heartbeat and a part of her dreams, and to be living it out now is so cool.
0:06:43 S1: So we’ll dive into that space, she’s also the host of the pumping podcast, which we’ll talk about, and I had the honor of beans, there are so many cool things about that in what she’s doing for the world and the impact that she’s creating, and she’s a teacher encourager and inspire of next generation of artists, which is right up my alley, because I think the next generation is just such a space of need at this time, and so to do so around art and the beautiful things that you’re working on, I just think it’s so good, so thank you so much for being here.
0:07:17 S2: Thank you for having me. This is such a pleasure, I’m so honored, and I already had so much fun chatting with you from my podcast, and so I’m just really grateful to be here and to connect with your audience as well.
0:07:29 S1: Agreed, agreed. So tell us, I kinda did a little mini bio, tell us more about you, where are you tuning in from, and yet your story of how you got where you’re at today…
0:07:43 S2: Oh my gosh.
0:07:44 S1: That’s a big… But it’s a big one.
0:07:49 S2: I’m originally from Massachusetts. I am an only child. I grew up… It’s crazy. I recently watched this documentary and it was kind of talking about your past and how that holds you for your future. I grew up in a split family, but loved by two wonderful people, my mom then went on to get re-married, so then I gained a second father, and it’s been a really beautiful journey to see how they all supported me throughout my life and my transition. I pretty much packed my bags, it’s funny, when I graduated college, my mom and my step-dad said to me, which I’m so grateful for, just for graduation that we were thinking… We’ve been saving up some money. Maybe we should go on a trip to Italy. I said, I think I’m gonna move to New
0:08:46 S1: York. Is you probably would have lived in Italy. Oh
0:08:56 S2: My God. I guess I was just thinking at the time, I can always go to her. We haven’t been back yet, but I just had this dream and this goal to be in New York City in the Big Apple. I remember when I was in high school, I would go on these little weekend trips to jam-pack, you leave at like 5 30 in the morning, and you wouldn’t get back till 12, 30 at night, and you would drive in and you would see a show and sometimes you see two shows and dinner and walk around the city, and I remember being in Times Square and walking around and just really feeling like This is where I wanna be, I felt like home, the energy, the pulse of the city. And then it’s kind of crazy because now 12 years later, sometimes I walk around and I’m like, Get me out of you. But no, there’s something… It’s a city that you love. And you hate. Now, I have a friend who recently started a company, it’s called I tolerate in New York, and it’s true, but the tolerate isn’t a hard ’cause you truly do like there’s so much about the city that you love, and so…
0:10:12 S2: Yeah, I’m joining you from the city, I moved here to pursue acting, started off in theater, now I’ve been moving a little bit more into TV and film, I had this desire to reach out more and start my podcast, and it’s just been a really incredible journey, but I would say moving to the city has been transformative. Even for theater, I would go away for a few months and live in another state for three months at a time, for months at a time, and that was always an amazing adventure, but around two or three weeks when I’m looking for food at 10-30 at night, or I’m looking to have some interaction at a coffee shop that’s busy and bustling, it’s a catch-22, you’re always gonna want what you don’t have, but I think ultimately, I’m so grateful to be here, I can’t imagine myself anywhere else, and it’s truly made me… I think who I am, so… That’s so amazing. So how old were you when you actually there… It was right out of college, so 21, I guess.
0:11:21 S1: Wow. So young now. Did you know anyone there?
0:11:25 S2: No, I mean, wow, I literally… It sounds so like a book, but I literally patched two suitcases, my mom brought me to the bus station, and I’ll never forget her face when she was in the car and I walked away. She’s just sobbing. I remember I called her later on and talked to her and she said, Well, I sat in my car for about an hour and subbed, and then I called my sister and I decided to go shopping and I bought some shoes. Retail therapy. Yeah, I had this mission through a family friend, I stayed in the apartment for two weeks rent-free, which was… He’s amazing. I just get started and get my footing, I got a job a week later at a restaurant, I just took one day and went out to all these different restaurants and tried to get a job. But no, I didn’t know anybody. I had some friends from college acquaintances, if I needed to connect to them, I would, but nobody really that I was a meeting routinely. Wow.
0:12:34 S1: So talk us through the journey of being an artist, being an actor, an actress, if you will, where you… ’cause I have kids my own and one who really wants to take the stage right now, but I’m not sure, she’s definitely not a musically talented, and so I’m like, Are you gonna act? And then there’s another one who is incredibly… Was vivacious and is made for a stage but hates to be on stage, so that was… Yeah, he only likes it when it’s people that He loves and He knows, but if he ever goes up on stage for a performance at school, freezes won’t make eye contact, but the other one that my daughter ever… Anything.
0:13:18 S2: Would you say… What about filming or live or anything. So we took him to an old… Had he’d be okay in front of a camera… He
0:13:26 S1: Is good in front of a camera, he actually has Bates or YouTube videos, and he’s like, comment or like below. I’m like, Oh, it’s fine. We did even hear that he’s definitely an… So that’s a good perspective. I didn’t think about that. It’s not the audience that would be theater versus… Right, okay, okay, so talk us about your experience.
0:13:50 S2: First of all, as far as kids go, and for any mothers out there, whether your children are going to dive and have a career in the arts, whatever the arts is, acting, caning, dancing, artistic, anything… No matter what I think it’s so important for the development of children, I think number one, it’s the most important for your confidence, and it’s the most important to really get connected to your emotions and something that’s higher than us, the music and dance. We talked about this on our product, on my podcast, connecting to dance, all those aspects, I think, benefit children, even who are gonna go into the corporate world, they then are able to speak in front of a crowd of people, or they’re able to think creatively in a different way. So I wouldn’t necessarily shy away, if you’re a mom out there or dad and you ever wanting your kids to be connected to that, I think that’s amazing. For me, it was kind of always in my blood, both of my parents were singers, my mom was the head of the music department, she was acquire director. She just retired a few years ago after 42 years of teaching.
0:15:08 S2: My first musical I ever did was actually to be in one of her musicals, it was always with just high school kids, but she had me in there, but that’s a Teslas essay that I was super cool, but I was hanging out with high school kids, can my dad, he was a singer, he also played trumpet. I was exposed to all of that stuff at a very young age, so I think it just kind of became part of me, and then I’ll the… Forget, I went to the summer program where we had to pick a major and a minor, and you could pick it whatever Arts major and minor. You want it. So I majored in dance and minored in theater, and I had this little mermaid song that I did during the performance, and I’ll never forget my mom’s reaction after that was just one of… Such support and love and encouragement. And it just kind of sparked something inside of me, and so I went and I studied it at Shenandoah conservatory in Virginia, and then… It’s kind of interesting, I was on tour for two years with the national tour, beating the beast, and walking out on to that stage every night, it’s a feeling that you can’t describe, which is also to explain it is totally different than TV and film and commercial, which is why I mentioned that for your son, ’cause I performed at one theater, there were 6000 people in that theater, it was sold out, there were 600 seats.
0:16:45 S2: It was in Indiana. And it’s like that energy, it’s just palpable and yeah, you have to be on your toes and he’s… After you do a show like 3-00 times is something that’s sort of just in you, it just kind of happens. But also that moment sometimes where you’re like, I could not say my next line and everybody in this audience would just be like, I entered… There was that whole thing. But then with TV and film, it’s a whole another ball game, and it’s really stripping all of that away and getting back to who you are and being grounded and quiet, which is a weird thing for especially theater actors to channel, but I don’t know, it’s been… I personally can’t imagine doing anything else, and when I remember when I was auditioning at colleges, I met this professor at the kinda scared me, but there was an element that was true in what she said… She looked at me and she said, If you can picture yourself doing anything else, but theater… Don’t do theater. Wow. And I was like, You’re right. Because I think it’s that level of like, You have to eat, sleep, and breathe acting and the arts, if you’re gonna pursue it as a career, because there are so many hurdles.
0:18:21 S1: Interestingly, as you’re talking about this, I have obviously a plethora of type of people that come on to the podcast, but just… Was it yesterday? My day is mixed together, it was the… I think it was Tuesday, I had somebody that I have to get you in touch with us. His name is Joel Casanova, and he has beat Hunter dance studio, and it’s all about the exploring identity through faith through dance, and he’s incredible, he went to a region university here and has developed this studio, both virtual lessons in person, and he has this entire global mission so to have two artists on the same week, I think that’s so neat artist in the RAM of stage performing, and everyone I believe is born an artist, it doesn’t matter what that looks like, our expression of God himself, I believe, is done in the formal art that’s how he created the heavens and the earth. It’s how he created us. And so when you talked about it being in your DNA, I’m like, Yeah, that makes sense, but to now you’re like the generational influence obviously of your parents, I think that plays such a big role, and I also find it interesting as a mom, and I wanna speak to your pumping podcast here in a second, to transition, but as a mom, thinking about those little moments that can become a huge moments, and your mom was just being…
0:19:43 S1: Loving it. She was just affirming you, it was also part of her passion, so she was probably really through that you were good at it. Right, and there’s also just the point of just like, Wow, she’s enamored by you, she loves you, as I hope every mom does towards their kiddos, and then that was so ingrained in you as an affirmation point that you were like, Okay, I wanna keep earning her love and so it’s a necessary thing for us as moms to be super mindful of those times because they’re surely been moments where I’ve said things that I wish I could take back or in a head of a moment, or there’s also the times where I’m constantly affirming my children, and I’m wondering, is this the place God would have me affirm them, because what if my affirming them so much in this space isn’t what they’re meant to do, is it gonna contradict them later in life, or is it gonna propel them into the space of purpose? I don’t know. So I think it’s important for us as moms to be tuned into all of their gifts and not just see maybe the one that’s shiny or there in the forefront all time.
0:20:51 S2: Well, exactly, I think I was gonna say something similar to that in that as long as you’re affirming the multiple things that they do, so when they make that really amazing math calculation or get that really amazing test, or write that really amazing paper, or paint that really beautiful painting, or seeing that really beautiful song, it’s like they’re all equally affirmed, so whatever speaks to them, which for me it was performing. I might have written a really good paper, which I did it multiple times, but I didn’t get that desire to be here, or journalists or anything like that. So I think as long as you equally affirm a non-overly for of course, where it’s appropriate, I think they’ll find it themselves… That’s
0:21:45 S1: Really cool. So I wanna share with the audience. ’cause it just blows my mind. ’cause I didn’t know that part about your story. She has the pumping podcast, and it’s a place where women can gather, obviously, if you’re a mom, you know exactly what’s happening, and yet at the same time, you could be nursing, you could be in the stage of life where I am, where my kids are older and I’m not thinking about that at all, thank goodness, my boobies are mine and my husband’s bind, I get to just resonate with the motherhood journey, so thinking for sure, I can’t wait to find out about her little kids and she shares… Actually, I’m not a mom yet, I have a heart of a mother, I think most women do share with me like the moment that you decided, This is a passion project that I wanna take on, and how that has been an evolution since you started it. I get that so many times, or people will kind of assume, actually…
0:22:44 S2: And I’ll be like, Oh, can’t wait to hear about your kids. And I’m like, You be up to wait a few years, but yeah, I wanna also explain to everybody that we do not just talk about pumping or even reading it… At first, when I was creating it, my mom specifically said like, Oh, maybe you should consider the name a little bit, but the name specifically is because the original intention came for moms who are currently pumping or breastfeeding to listen to something so that they don’t feel so alone during those isolating times, but I have moms who have kids who are older, you’re allowed to watch, you’re allowed to listen any time you want, whether you’re trying or doing dishes or working out or whatever, but it really came from me as we were talking about with acting, acting has highs and loves, and it has periods where you’re searching for a sense of creativity, and so I was in one of those places and that I was looking for something creative, looking for something that I could control, ’cause oftentimes with the acting career too, it feels like you only have so much control.
0:23:57 S2: And all of my friends were starting to have kids, and I was inundated in the best way by it, and I was a baby sitting too, and so I was holding a baby, this actually… It really came about, I was babysitting this little girl like March, April, May, almost every day in succession, holding this little six month old, and it just felt so Dan good, but I was just already around all this conversation, and I was talking to one of my best friends who had just had a baby, and she was telling me about how she feels or felt very isolated and lonely when she was pumping a breastfeeding, she gave me the story of how she would go to her in-laws and her father-in-law didn’t love having her boob out while she was best feeding, so that’s a whole another conversation, but she had to go to the second bedroom to pump while everybody… Or breastfeed while everybody else was having a cranial time, I then happened to in the same weeks, some will across another friend who was going to a bachelorette and all of her… All the bachelor at ladies were going into the winery and she had to sit in the car and put…
0:25:14 S2: And we just felt like this is not fair, and it’s something amazing that we’re doing for our babies, but we should be able to be comforted in some way, and so I just thought, Well, what if I can learn more about motherhood before I dive into it? And serve other moms, and so it’s been so rewarding, not only from my education, but in connecting moms, and I’m always just brainstorming how can I build this community even more and more, I’m still praying on that, so we’ll see. We’ll see what comes with that. We
0:25:50 S1: Are… You do ideas for you, you know my entrepreneurial brain is like, Oh, let’s do it. Let’s go, let’s do it. Do you feel like you’ve been sitting on the dream God has given you for far too long, do you feel out of alignment or obedience because of it, or perhaps you’ve been spinning your wheels on how to answer God’s call, but can’t quite define or design it into a business, maybe you’ve titled this god dream of ministry, one, you wholeheartedly give all of your time and energy to yet your passion isn’t providing the profit you need to sustain in your home. Your first ministry, do you struggle with the idea of earning money, doing something you lean you to do in servant hood? Do you feel unworthy as a woman to assess… Well, I get it, I’ve been in every one of those shoes, and I can promise you the moment I traded those worn out handles for his intended comfort, I was able to finally walk the Miles has taken to grow the dream, from ideation to activation. Catapult my true passions into my full purpose, and now… Well, I’ve had a Jorma women over the past couple of years in a group setting, I still say there are missing straps to their well-made shoes.
0:27:11 S1: So I design this course, the god dream design course, to walk alongside you intimately until you’ve claimed the gift of the shoe as He has always wanted for you, you’re probably wondering if this is the sure fire way to claim your roots, to discover your wins as a kingdom on tenor. Why are we talking about shoes… Well, these aren’t nines, they aren’t EAs, whatever the kids call them these days, and I’m not giving you sandals like Hermes either God’s shoes. Truly why? God shoes have limitless souls that never wear down, they are promised to get you where He has shown you that you were intended to be, so come along the ride, get out of that stuck analysis for our sustained implementation and develop the mindsets methods and models to bring to life, the vision he has planned for you before you are knit in, your mother’s will sign up today for your self-paced program where I will actually provide you live coaching, a community and women to walk this journey alongside a package of goodies right at your door step and many more incredible deliverables, you can find all of the details on my side at Tamra Andres dot com, don’t forget Tamara, T-A-M-R-A, I got the good version…
0:28:34 S1: Thanks, mom. But really, girls, it’s time to fly. I promise it to spring as it sounds, Caswell, go. There are so amazing… And so you had told me when you were explaining it before, and I thought it was so profound, it’s like when we go into something new, we often don’t just jump blindsided into it, and we prepare for it and we might educate ourselves in some regard, or have conversations about it, and though as becoming a mother, you have that time frame during pregnancy where you can read the books and get all the new stuff, what happens before that is often just this yearning to be a mom and no education, just the education may be around like, How do I make this work? Like, what temperature am I at, what time is it? Maybe the cycle component of having a baby, but beyond that, you’re like, I’m gonna be a mom, this is what happened, the baby comes out and now I’m a mom, but there’s so much more to it than that.
0:29:34 S2: And we… In the books, I think you can read what to expect, you can read breastfeeding 101, you can even go to the classes, but I think it’s different to hear from the lips of a mom who’s been there and… We touch on so many different topics. We touch on infertility, we touch on foster care, we touch on adoption, we touched on postpartum, it’s like so many things, and so there’s… I think it’s a different sense of education, it’s really neat, and the other cool thing about it, for me too, is like I get to kinda hang with the moms too, like what… I’m not a mom, ’cause as your friends start to become moms, but you’re not one… You feel a little bit like an outsider. So now I can speak to it because it’s not personal, but I could say, Oh, I had a guest who went through X, Y… I know what that term is it? So
0:30:28 S1: Yeah, that’s so cool. I think I was among one of the first in my friend group to have kids, and so it’s funny that you feel that way with the opposite, because I felt that way as a mom, I was like, Oh my gosh, my entire phone is not calling me. I have no friends, Friday night don’t look the same, say days don’t look the same, and I felt really isolated in the fact that they were all out partying and going in, still live in their 20s lifestyle, and I was at home nursing a baby, and that was a part of my, I think demise, if you will, a circa coming back into being a CEO and really running gun-ho into a lifestyle that wasn’t my own, and I think often that can happen as a mom is like You are so desperate for identity because it’s… Often lost in that space that you can seek out the wrong sense of identity, and so I think it’s amazing that you are exploring that now, so that as you come into becoming a mom, you have that, that know-how and that knowledge and can even…
0:31:35 S1: Like you said before, like trick yourself of things like Mom guilt before even understanding what mom feels like it’s such a
0:31:44 S2: Demo course, you never know until you’re in it, and it’s kind of fun ’cause I get to have different conversations with my husband about these things too, and I’m sure there’s gonna be multiple things that don’t look the way that I expect them to be, but at least there’s some sort of… Anticipation.
0:32:04 S1: Yeah, so it’s really cool. So let’s kind of switch gears and go back into the realm of theater and more along the heart beat of your desire to teach, educate and inspire this next generation of artists. How do you hope to do that? How do you feel like you’ve already done that with your vision?
0:32:24 S2: It’s about two years ago now, which is crazy, I feel like it was just last year, but about two years ago, I started coaching kids, and I created a master class that I did back at my hometown in Massachusetts, and it was something that was just kind of… Fell upon me out. I feel like I wanna give back. I had been in acting class and learning so much valuable information that I thought I would love to known when I was a child. And so I thought, What if I create something and I did that, and it gave me so much more than I ever even anticipated. And so, I don’t know, it’s hard to describe. I’ve never necessarily wanted… My mom was an educator for years, and I remember she would always be like, You’re not gonna be a teacher, but this is kind of a different realm, I don’t really have a desire to be in a school every single day or as a professor or anything, but encouraging kids, passions that they already have, giving them a taste of what it’s like here in New York City was just really let me up, it was really fun.
0:33:43 S2: And so I’ve continued here and there online pretty much because I’m in New York, so we would meet online, but I would coach kids through these techniques that we learn, and I think even I learned as far as acting goes a little too late. I feel like the things that I wish I learned, that I learned now, I feel like I wish I learned in college. And there are very basic things in getting down to the soul of who you are, and that authenticity, and it’s not necessarily this like shale shows, which is great to an essence and works for certain things, but kids can also be so vulnerable and so real, so that’s been really amazing to work with them. And then I actually have a program that is starting July 6, I launched a four-week class online for kids, 10 to 21 used, we’re gonna be talking all about self-taping and auditioning from home. Because if you don’t know the way of the world right now, especially for acting and performing, we don’t really know, especially when theater is gonna be back, TV and film and commercial are slowly starting to gain some footing, but when you usually…
0:35:02 S2: Addition for something, you have to go in for the audition. And now, I think whether we’re back to a normal or not, they’re gonna be saving on studio prices, they’re gonna be seeing on all of this time, and they’re just gonna say, tape at home. And so now we have all of these other skills that we have to learn for our career, which is like a tiny… Exactly, but this is something that I’ve been doing for a while now, and that I have direct access to casting directors and people to tell me how to do it, but these kids might not have that, so I’m really excited. It’s gonna start or it’s gonna be for what, Mondays in a rural starting July 60, and we’re just gonna get on Zoom and chat, and I have a whole thing to take them through, but… It’s just rewarding. Yeah, so rewarding.
0:35:57 S1: Yeah, and I love that you’re gonna do it live, I was thinking, Are you go at some point going to put it into something that’s evergreen, that people can do all the time, or do you really think that that one-on-one is critical?
0:36:09 S2: I think it’s something that I could consider, but I think especially with kids and the kids are less likely to want to really read and dive in… Yeah.
0:36:20 S1: That’s so that a different…
0:36:24 S2: Yeah, and I think as adults, it’s like, If this is something we wanna do, well do the research, but with kids, I think there’s something to be said for seeing it, and it was even interesting ’cause when I did my Master class, a lot of the feedback I was getting from them was seeing other kids work… Yeah, that… Yeah, this was in person, but they were like… I learned so much more, even just watching the other people in the class and seeing them sort of transform with these small little details across, I think it’s an option I could consider for the future for sure, but I think especially for kids, that
0:37:03 S1: Makes… That makes total sense. I hadn’t thought about that. Of it, I’m also wondering because it’s really any art, it doesn’t necessarily have to be like the Theater or Acting component, because I’m thinking of my niece for instance, he is an incredible guitarist, same thing for her, if that’s a part of the video piece and presenting and it could be more than that, just as a different target audience, because they need to learn those things as well, and
0:37:30 S2: It’s really… It’s some basic things, but we just don’t think about them, like for example, the background that you have right now is stunning, and I love chatting with you and seeing what I see, but for an audition setting, it would be too distracting…
0:37:46 S1: Right, right now, because
0:37:48 S2: Then you might be looking at the picture behind you instead of your face… Right, cool. It’s a little… Things like that.
0:37:55 S1: Yeah, that’s really cool. Well, I’m so excited for you to get on that adventure, I think it’s really gonna make a huge impact even for the receiving end of the studios who are receiving it and be like, Wow, these kids have a one-up essentially, because they’re gonna have those things taken care of, so what a cool competitive edge, work for them as a budding artist, if you will…
0:38:19 S2: I’m excited and I don’t know, there’s something about kids too, I just… I don’t know, it feels so good to work with them and it’s so rewarding. That’s
0:38:29 S1: So beautiful. So tell me about what’s next for Jessica, like you have this going on, this is actually next, but it’s really soon and happening now, like when you vision cast for yourself, three, five, 10 years from now, are you in New York City? What does that look like?
0:38:49 S2: I think it’s here. My husband and I always go back and forth. Should we just move to LA or both? More TV film-focused at the moment, but our family is close in Massachusetts, so it’s hard, I don’t know, but I think New York for now, honestly, in the next two, three years… First of all, I would love to get out of my… My job, so my regular income, ’cause once again, as an actor, you need something to supplement, and so I would like to move away from that and more focusing on myself and the podcast and just acting. And then I’d like to try to start a family. Part of the whole reason why I haven’t become a mom yet and started that whole journey is because I’m working on getting off some medication that I’m on from a diagnosis that I got, and so I couldn’t even have kids right now, I wanted to… And so I’ve really spent… Since January of this past year, I was really like the starting line of really focusing on my health and changing my diet and really… I’ve always been a fit person, but really focusing on that and putting myself first, and so I would like to really take the next year and try to get off of the medication that I’m on to…
0:40:21 S2: Try to start that journey. But it’s an interesting question when you ask it, because while that’s kind of one of my next goals and things I wanna focus on, I also want all of these other business passion side of me to really thrive along the same line, and it’ll be interesting to see how that molds together. But yeah.
0:40:43 S1: Yeah, I love that. I think that’s really cool. And honestly, the next segway of… I talk a lot in the premise of the fit and face podcast, when it first started, beyond the entrepreneurial side of things, was this mind, body and soul journey that we’re all on, and it looks different for every single person, and you’ve told us a lot about your mental and your being growth as you emerge into being who you are today, but tell us more about that journey in a health perspective, whether it be the mental health piece of having two homes or the health piece of this diagnosis that you’re telling us about. I’d love to hear more about that.
0:41:23 S2: Yeah, it’s interesting because especially in New York, but for many people, it’s non-stop and it’s go, go, go. And you have all of these things that you’re focusing on. And so to be honest, when covid-19 hit and we were required to stay in our homes, it was almost a blessing for me to stop and slow down, and so the mental part of it really has just kind of blossomed. I’ve started practicing meditation where I always would wanna dabble in that, but I never really did, and so it’s been really kind of a nice time for me to get back to calming myself and to take 30 minutes and read or go to the park and just stare at the water for a little bit, or whatever. Those sort of mental components are so really, that’s gonna come recently with the wake of everything that our world’s been going through, and then basically… I’ll try to make a super long story short, but as far as the physical side of things go, up until the time I was 25, I was… Healthiest can be, I never had acne in high school or any time. I wish I know.
0:42:44 S2: Oh my gosh, I had the best kids. I always got compliments on my face for my skin, a pretty well… Didn’t have to Jon food, but average. And then I started to develop these spots on my body, I had one of my best friends staying with me in New York at the time, sleeping in my bed, and so at first I thought it was bed bugs, but then she didn’t have any bites on her so I was like, Well, it can’t be bad bugs, thank God. But anyway, I ended up getting diagnosed with psoriasis, and it was interesting time because I got diagnosed and then it was maybe about three months later or so is when I got my offer to go on the national tour, beating the beast. So I had something and so stressful starting, but then something so victorious starting at the same time, and it continued to go that way in that parallel for two years, so by the end of a year, I was completely covered head-to toe. You wouldn’t even recognize me. Luckily, my face remained fine, except I had a couple of spots here and here, but my scalp, my entire body just covered, and I was continuing to perform and it was really hard, ’cause I remember we’d get to a new city and the costume people that would always help you.
0:44:16 S2: He would… Not mean anything by it, but they would make comments or say, Oh, you get it by mosquitoes or whatever. And it was hard to kind of deal with mentally navigate that. Yeah, I tried a bunch of different diets, I went on this Green Apple diet where I just take green apples for like four days, a diorite things we do, we tore all these things, I did end up going on free and the blessing about that it was challenging being on the road, but I had such an amazing group of people in my cast and we would constantly come up to me like, Oh, I found about a retreat, I got this for you at the store, and they were my… Everything started to… I went on a biologic medication, Kumara, and Masan started to clear up here and there, but literally a year to the day after I started, I developed some pain. I had to call out of the show, which I hadn’t done in the whole year and a half, I had never called out of a show, but I had to call out of a show ’cause I just couldn’t walk.
0:45:25 S2: And it got so bad, my husband came to visit me when we were in LA, and I literally couldn’t walk to the bathroom, he had to carry me to the bathroom. I also developed vascular Tis, so basically, I got diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis and fasciitis, my ankles got huge and swollen, they were on the spot and I felt like a monster Tully, and I ended up getting off of the humor going on to methotrexate, which is a really strong, they use it for cancer patients, but many other autoimmune diseases, and also another medication called tap on, and so now I was placed with this auto-immune disease that I was trying to figure out how to navigate and so pretty much where I’m at now is, I’m only on the Dobson in the methotrexate, but I’m trying to wean off of a methotrexate. My skin is great. Yeah. Anything
0:46:24 S1: You would never know.
0:46:26 S2: So no, I have a couple little spots on my elbows a little bit here, but I mean for the most part, the other day I actually had to do a commercial addition force or ISIS, and I just had to sit there and talk about my experience, and I went back and looked at some of the pictures that I had, and I just got so emotional because I couldn’t… Going back to how I felt during that time, I was just like, Oh my gosh. So now I’ve been trying to really… I started in January, MDR, Amy Myers Autoimmune Solution. I took on her autoimmune diet, which I really like to just call a way of life now, I’ve started to implement some other things that I didn’t really see much of an effect on my body, but I’m dairy-free, sugar-free basically, besides coconut sicker. I really only have some basic oils, all of Osei avocado oil, and this is just my new normal, and it was something that was so scary to think of giving up certain things or transitioning is really hard, but once you have a certain way… And my Y has been to start a family, it’s going to grab that piece of bread or have that pasta or grab that candy, I just have been picturing that women of being a mom, and it’s just like…
0:48:07 S2: It doesn’t make it easy, but it makes it easier to… Tata
0:48:12 S1: Was probably way longer than you… Interesting, it’s so uncritical to share. And a part of your teacher ability or education ability, like all parts of us, every part of our story line has purpose in where God has us intended to go, and you might not even know that that commercial has a ripple effect in somebody else’s life that then can transform the way that they have now became a mom, and so to know that that’s a part of your story line and know that your purpose in sharing it, I’m grateful that you spent the time to do so, and hopeful that all of the things that you have implemented even the things like meditation, I can play such a role in your ability to quiet your spirit and quiet your cells and your neurons and everything, there’s so much more depth to that than what I think people… Even Christians give it credit for, and what we’re called to rest, and there’s a lot of value in that. So I’m hopeful, just like it was for you, that people during this time of quarantine, we’re able to find a sense of rest even when it was forced.
0:49:20 S2: And I really encourage if there’s anybody out there with any sort of an auto-immune disease, or even if it’s not diagnosed, but you’re getting chronic headaches or chronic stomach pains or something that you should not be normal for the normal human being. I recently watched a documentary called… Hello? Yes, years ago, there is like, Oh, and it really encouraged me. Like if you take the power of your mind and the negativity, or I should say, and take the power of the positivity, you can totally transform, and I think that whether that’s God for you, or whether that’s an energy for you, whatever that is for you, I think I believe in it, I so so believe in it. And there are people, there’s facts, there’s a reality that people… I’ve healed themselves. So yeah, really encourage Toland.
0:50:19 S1: That’s that component of mental health, not to give it its own tag line or anything like that, but there is so much power in the placement of focusing there and almost focusing there first because that’s the connection to your heart… That’s the connection to yourselves, of the connection to that mind, body and soul piece, because it’s often the first inhibitor is the mindset because of whatever reason, we have the ability to cut through our eyes, there are ears, even through our taste buds with things like sugar and gluten, that it will deter you and distract you from the wealth of how you’re supposed to feel on the inside, and we just have this common norm of being uncomfortable or feeling bloated or feeling dehydrated, and it’s literally not just a food or a kitchen thing, it’s a mental thing, and it’s what’s being given to us and fed to us visually through commercials, through sound of the music and what people are talking about, and so to get quiet with yourself and to find that alignment piece of… Okay. Like distraction, free and feeling, I feel hungry and realize what your body actually Graves has… It’s not those things.
0:51:35 S1: It’s not the gluten. It’s not the sugar. Yeah, that’s the first thing that we end up going to, and so I haven’t gone through something in the same sense as what you have, but through my own mind, body and soul journey, through my identity and discovery through whose I am and discovering who I am in that I really started to activate myself in the realm of what I was taking on in my body, and it has been transformative, even just the way that I feel, and I used to sleep for three or four hour naps because… And now if I tried to sleep for three or four hours, which sometimes I would love to, I’m 20 minutes and I’m like, Oh, and I have the most energy that I could possibly have, way less lethargic than I ever was after waking up from a three-hour nap, and that’s because of how I feel my body. It’s like, Okay, you don’t need that, you get enough rest, and here’s your little mental shut down, which can also be done through meditation, so… Thank you. Exactly, I think that’s really cool.
0:52:36 S2: And I think too, it’s like the concept of whatever you focus on grows, and even if we consciously focus on it like, Oh man, I parameters bad, my back just hurts as opposed to… The opposite of that, I was really grateful because when I was going through probably not probably the hardest physical time of my life, I was on tour, surrounded by people who were amazing, doing a job that I loved, having people meet me at the stage door asking for my autograph, just so much, amazing things going to these new cities and seeing new places, I don’t know what it would have been like for me if I have been here in the city, pounding the pavement trying to look for a job, and so I’m so grateful that God gave me the opportunity to have such a blessing while going through such a challenge because… Yeah, of course, I was focused on my skin because I looked at it every day and I had people commenting on it, but the mature… When I go back and I think about tour, I don’t think about my skin, I think about all the beautiful things that happen, so it’s truly…
0:53:55 S2: I think what we focus on, Orth, last thing I’ll say about that is, there was a really cool exercise that I’ve heard through Tony Robbins, and he says to look around the room and see everything that’s great, look at everything, everything that’s green, and find everything that’s green, okay, see everything that’s green and it’s all green, and I’ll close your eyes and think of everything that’s read, and you can’t think of anything that’s red ’cause the only thing you were looking for was great, and when you open your eyes, you then look for it and you’re like, Oh my gosh, there’s so much red website you’re focusing on.
0:54:33 S1: So I love him. I think it was so good. Have you watched his Netflix again? Last night, actually, it’s so good. I recently watched it a few months ago, I was pre-quarantine when I was folding laundry and my husband had had the kids outside of the house, and I just completely broke down a huge sobbing baby in so many different realms, and I felt like I’m on the other side of that, I’m like, Wait, this is not for me. I was literally trying to learn like a teacher, not what he was saying, but how he taught, so I was like looking at it from a different perspective. And then he got me and I was like, Oh, I’m receiving, I’m receiving, I’m receiving. And I think it was such a God moment for me, and you… He doesn’t necessarily preach his faith by any means, but I think God can speak through so many different humans, so many different things, not even humans, and so it’s just a matter of us receiving that, which is the same thing as like how you’re focusing is how you receive the things. What’s he saying? What is taught is caught, and so the things that you’re being taught and the, again, the mind, body, soul piece, the things that you’re seeing, hearing, tasting, doing and the people you’re surrounding yourself with, those are subconsciously being integrated into you every single day, even if you think you’re stronger.
0:56:03 S1: Eventually, that is gonna look a different way, so being really mindful of what we intake as human beings, and I’ve shared this before on the podcast, but being in control of the sound that comes in… What do I listen to? What podcast am I turning on, what Audible book? Am I listening to what music is coming into my frame of mind, because even things like that, that are subconscious and you’re like, Oh, it’s not a good deal, it’s just rap music or whatever, it can truly… Either new is, that’s a huge thing for now, I don’t watch the news, so hands, my lack of using it as an example, I can’t do it. And so there really just being mindful of those things because it truly can take root in a place that you don’t want it to and cause pain in so many different ways… Stressed agree, 100%. Really cool, Jessica, I feel like we could keep talking for hours and we will continue ’cause I have to take all these business ideas I have in my brain… You got it for her. And it’s so good. And I always, when I share that with people, I never want to put them in the wrong direction, but I truly feel like God has gifted me that to give to people as an opportunity for their next stepping stone, so wherever you’re being led…
0:57:22 S1: I believe where you are right now is really beautiful and it has so much transformative power just in mind, body and soul spaces, but your passion and your purpose, and so this was definitely a really amazing podcast, and I hope that it meets people… As a final question, to quit out mind, body and soul aside, what is the one thing that you would share as an activation piece for somebody to follow their dreams, meaning what is something that they can do to take those steps or something that… Like a saying that means a lot to… That keeps you going. Any motivation factor?
0:58:14 S2: I’ll share two factors. One is kind of a… I started this group called victories Group, and we meet once a month, and we talk about only the positivity in our life, only the things that have been victorious throughout the past month, and at the end of… We each get about 15 minutes to speak, and then at the end of our time, we lay yellow bricks, kind of like the Wizard of ASEAN, we have to lay our bricks to make our path and get to that analyst, those yellow bricks are… Are just they’re encouraged to be small steps, whether that’s just making a phone call or sending an email or paying for that membership that you’ve been waiting to do or whatever it is, but it’s just three lobes that you are determined to accomplish by X number of time, and so you can let your yellow bricks every morning for that day, you could only your yellow bricks for the month there for the year or whatever, but they’re intended to be smaller… Just small little steps that you can take. And that’s been something this year that’s really been helpful to me, ’cause as I come up on our next meeting, I’ll kinda go back and say what were my lobes…
0:59:41 S2: And some of them I subconsciously did, I’m like, Oh yeah, I have that done. But then other things I’m like, Oh yeah, I haven’t got that yet, so I better get that done. And then the other is just a little quote that my dad’s always said to me, and that stuck with me, and it’s just, if you think you can, you can… If you think you can’t, you’re right. And it’s just all bringing in that mindset piece to really believing and something that’s hard to do, especially in a performing career, but I think the other thing that’s just coming to me is the fact that in our lives… No matter what it is that we do, we all are multi-hyphen whatever ways that is, and I think embracing that has been one of the biggest lessons for me as an actor and as an artist, ’cause I came to New York City wanting to perform on Broadway, but I’ve learned that if I can’t say that success equals Broadway, ’cause then that means if I have a baby that that’s not success, if I have a commercial that’s not success, if I get on a TV show that’s not success, because I had this one main goal so I think it’s interesting to see how our journey takes us in where we’re guided and laying those yellow bricks and realizing that even though the low bricks are a little…
1:01:01 S2: Successful things to
1:01:03 S1: Check off a list. I love that so much, and I wanna parallel it with something that I participate in with my group within a network, which you’re of course invited to, I have to say the link to it afterwards, and all of our listeners are… It is a space for movers and shakers and kingdom-minded passion as does to just share and thrive and grow alongside one another, and this tip specifically for the Yellow Brick concept is amazing. I hope that you share it within the group as well, but I do something similar, but with different words, and it’s a bit of a mindset shift in the fact of… It’s called a fail forward party, and so every more every month we get together and we talk about failure points that became momentum points and how you can teach somebody through that without them having to actually experience it. And so to say This happened in my personal life, or this happened in my business life, and here’s how I got past it, how you can get past it, and how it’s now a win in my life. So for instance, psoriasis could be that fail forward, like you went through this entire season and then you tried all of these things and now you’re able to meditate and now you’re able to have your baby, and now that’s gonna be like a winning…
1:02:16 S1: Your experience, that’s gonna be so many yellow bricks happen and related in order for you to get to that space of sharing the good news, and ultimately that’s what a fail-forward party is about, that’s the elegiac party, it’s all about the good news, and that’s… I think already what you do on a consistent basis or totally just has that goodness, that sweetness of the Lord, and so I’m grateful to share it on the show today and excited to be in community with you.
1:02:44 S2: I spend one of the best hours I’ve had since a few months, so I’m so grateful to spend it with you, and thank you so much for sharing is friend. Likewise. Alright, I’ll see you later, Toni, next week. Hey.
1:03:05 S1: It’s me again. I hope in today’s episode, you sense an Ignite to an ember within you, something mentally, physically, emotionally or spiritually moving that creates and sustains a fire within your journey before you go, let’s a lit it by the plane. I’d love for you to take a step right now and declaring your take away by snapping a pick of the episode you toit to share your spark moment and tag me at it, that podcast or me personally at Tama Dayan DES on Insta. I hope that I can keep you accountable and also share you with the greater community of the Fitbit podcast listeners, we’re totally in this together, community over competition is the motto, right? I’d also be incredibly grateful if you took an extra second to leave a review on iTunes or your podcast listening up, I’d love to feature your thought in the next episode and give you and your passion project a big shout out. You know, I’m a writer, so I love words and I can’t wait to read what you have to say, I’m ready to fuel the plane with you together and until next time, blessings over your joy.
1:04:07 S1: Help… Well, and wellness. So time, I