Heart is Where the Home is: Cultivating a Business Out Of Passion – With Reese Jocson

We hear all the time the aged old saying “home is where the heart is” and while I’m a complete believer in the concept, I think you could reverse the words to gain deeper clarity in what it means to establish a healthy home…”heart is where the home is”.

As women and men alike, I believe we are constantly cultivating a place for us to reside in peace, contentment, and happiness.

If we are dually working on developing that from a heart placement and posture each day…that comfortability leads in to the place we go with our heart, wherever that place may be.

Today’s guest, relishes in all things home and heart through her gifting of art. She does what she loves and she brings that passion into her home. And that is truly an admirable trait when so often we can let our homes be cultivated out of worldly gesture verse heart influence.

I hope you take a way some resourceful insight to pursuing your passions, finding yourself within those passions and truly fostering a heart within yourself that you are happy to live with day by day.

heart healing with Reese

Connect with her here:

Personal:

https://www.facebook.com/reesejocson

Business:

https://www.facebook.com/barefootbungalowvb/
https://www.facebook.com/healyourhoney/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/barefootbungalowvbhome/

SHOW NOTES: Heart is Where the Home Is

Tamra: We hear all the time, the age-old saying home is where the heart is. And while I’m a complete believer in the concept, I think you can reverse the words to gain deeper clarity in what it means to establish a healthy home. The heart is where the home is. As women and men alike, I believe we are constantly cultivating a place for us to reside in peace, contentment, and happiness. If we’re dually working on developing that from a heart placement and posture each day, that comfortability leads into the place where we get to go with our heart wherever that place may be. Today’s guest relatives in all things home and heart, through her gifting of art, she does what she loves and she brings that passion into her home and that is truly an invariable trait. When we so often can let our homes be cultivated out of worldly, gesture versus heart influence. I hope today you take away some resourceful insight into pursuing your own passions, finding yourself within those passions, and truly fostering a heart within yourself that you are happy to live with day by day.

Hi, we are so excited to be here, this is going to be kind of a different episode for me. So, you were just mentioning, it’s a little bit out of your normal.

Reese: Yes.

Tamra: First podcast?

Reese: Very first podcast.

Tamra: Very first podcast, this will be my very first podcast interviewing somebody that I don’t really know. And so, my husband and I, whenever I started as kind of brainstorming about what fit and faith was going to be, what the podcast is going to be about, what type of people I wanted to bring on, you definitely suit the genre of type, however, one of the main things was I am very worrisome over who I trust the mic with because I feel like what you put into the world is it’s a representation of me and my heart. And so, everybody that’s been on here really has been decently close friends. If not somebody that I’ve been around for months or years at a time.

Reese: Oh, wow.

Tamra: So, the reason that I felt so inclined and so like drawn to you is this like calm nature that you have when you’re on your own feeds and what you do and how you present yourself is just beautiful.

Reese: Thank you, thank you.

Tamra: So I’m excited for the viewers who are here with us on Facebook live, and then eventually the podcast listeners to just hear your heart about all the things that you’ve been putting out into the world be it your passion projects or your family or friends, or however that looks. So, this is Reese Jacson. And the reason I got connected with her she started, it popped up on my newsfeed, something called Home and Heart-Centered. And that just speaks to me because my home is a place of comfort and a place that I am constantly pouring into, but a place that also pours into me.

And so, I know that’s really important. And then, of course, everything that I do with fit and faith is all about the heart. And everyone hears fitness and you think of your muscles and nutrition and your fitness. Like, Oh, you’re a personal trainer. And I’m like, I was for a long time, but that’s not what it’s about. It really comes down and boils down to the heart. And so, I’m excited to see why you did this kind of spinoff of your own business and just tell me all the things wherever you want to start jump in.

Reese: Absolutely. Well, I am by trade an artist and illustrator by profession, if you want to get technical it’s actually graphic design. So, I went to VCU school, the arts I went to art school and we learned graphic design there and as well as I’ve always loved painting.  I actually was working as an admin at a local real estate office for a while and a lot of the realtors there were just really looking for more meaningful, thoughtful closing gifts. And so, I from there just became known as the closing gift girl. So, I specialize in illustrating watercolor home portraits.

Tamra: Yes, that’s gorgeous.

Reese: And a lot of my clients happened to be realtors, but I also do commissions outside of that as well. And that’s how it started, but everything that I do, I love to pour my heart into it. And I think that’s important and also serve your audience while you’re doing that. So, I came up with this community branched off of my Barefoot Bungalow business, and I’ve been doing the Barefoot Bungalow business, it started out as a side hustle and it kind of just took off unexpectedly.

Tamra: So awesome.

Reese: Which is amazing. I really love enjoying doing that and painting and doing what I love.

Tamra: Yeah, absolutely.

Reese: So, I’ve been doing that for about two and a half years now. And so, I just wanted to get a more intimate connection with my audience and just really serve them better. So, I’m going to be teaming up also with other local small businesses and creative entrepreneurs in the areas and showcasing them because it’s so important to support local small businesses.

Tamra: It so is, and that’s like what our community thrives off of and every community should thrive off of. I was just at a really cool event this past weekend with Kristin Crowley who just launched something called the Well-Fit social. Kristin was the news weather gal on WKTR News Channel Three for I think, 12 years. And so, we connected through something at the annex…

Reese: Oh nice.

Tamra: Which, it seems to be a great field.

Reese: We love annex.

Tamra: Yes, annex is amazing, Megan you rock.

Reese: Hi Megan.

Tamra: So, having somebody who’s in support of that same thing, and she gets it, she gets that it’s all about community…

Reese: That’s what it’s all about.

Tamra: Not competitions and collaborating. So Kristen put on something, specifically in the genre of like wellness, the wellness community, so health and fitness professionals, personal trainers where their nutritionists were there… Jim white spoke from Jim white fitness and another news anchor who had lost a hundred pounds shared her journey to that goal and living life after that. And so, there were about 60 people there who just came with this desire to truly just collaborate and not be, Oh, you’re a personal trainer, you’re going to steal my client because that’s not what it’s about.

Reese: No, I don’t like those vibes.

Tamra: No, that’s horrible. But it was just this space, everyone was so welcoming, so great. And having people on the podcast and being able to share you with the community of people that follow me, it that’s like what it’s all about.

Reese: I love it.

Tamra: It’s so cool.

Reese: I am absolutely… I like to call myself a hopeless romantic, in the terms of just always have this idealistic idea about women coming together and empowering each other and supporting each other and no pettiness or competition or anything like that. I am a hopeless romantic for that, for sure.

Tamra: I love that. So cool.

Reese: I’ve been like that for a while. So, to actually find and come into alignment and have the women find me when you’re finally in alignment before I would just always go look for it or try to force things and it just wouldn’t work out. Now, the women that are supporting me and around me that I find every day now it’s amazing.

Tamra: Yes, so good. And it really is, if it’s starting with you, which is whether you’re trying to force it or whether it comes organically, it starts with you, it becomes this space of freedom that you can just say, I don’t know it just, it just finds me like, love just found me when I stopped looking for love. [cross-talk 08:45] Yeah. So, it’s really cool. I was in a conversation with a good friend the other day, and she said, she’s kind of been on the hunt for like a best friend. It would sound really weird.

Reese: That’s me totally.

Tamra: But when you’re in your thirties, especially if you’re a new mom like there are so many components to that that are really lonely. And you are then jumped into social media world and you see all the besties together all the time, and you have this idealized concept of like, what a friendship that’s, your best person, that one person that you go to other than your spouse. And so, she’s been kind of like looking and it’s interesting to hear her heart for that, but I really feel like my response to her was why does it have to be one? Why does one person have to fill every need that you’re trying to get met with? When in actuality there’s a multitude of people and multitude of people surrounding you already, you just might have a different perspective on where you’re trying to get filled and how you’re trying to get filled in those friendships.

Reese: I absolutely can relate to that. That resonates with me so much because that was me for a while, kind of desperate for that perfect bestie. And I think social media does paint it, everybody just shows their highlight reels.

Tamra: That’s so true.

Reese: And so, it paints it in a way that you have this idea in your head that you’re just going have this one bestie, that’s going be perfect, a partner in crime and help you through everything and support you through everything. And you are so right though, I liked the way you worded that in the perspective on it’s a tribe, there may be multiple facets and people that can lend different characteristics in different things that help balance you and support you as a person.

Tamra: Very true because unless it’s your replica or it would actually be your antithesis that would then fill you in the areas that you don’t need to be fed or that you need to be fed would be, you’d be too similar or too different that something would clash. So I have my best friend that I look for this specific thing, my best friend, who I work out with, my best friend who I know is a total foodie and we can go eat. And my girlfriend that I lean on for faith that are my prayer warriors and the girlfriends that are moms that I can get my family together with and the girlfriends that I can call that I know aren’t moms, and they’re going to go out with me. And so, you have to have like all of those people and that’s why a tribe is so important…

Reese: So important.

Tamra: But to be open to the fact that you’re not just doing it to get, but it’s all about this symbiotic give and get relationship, which is exactly what we’re doing here. It’s so awesome. I’m so grateful for you.

Reese: Thank you.

Tamra: So, it launched last… how many weeks did the Heart Centered space happen?

Reese: Maybe, I think it’s going on three weeks ago.

Tamra: So fun. So, tell people more than just the fact that it was kind of the spinoff to have this intimacy, what does that intimacy look like? If you could design your perfect… let’s flash forward three years from now, what does that community do? How do they come together?

Reese: Well, I definitely wanted the Facebook group to be a place of support for moms, for home life, or any of the struggles. And eventually, I was hoping to do workshops or maybe group events, and we can just come together and collaborate even with local businesses or just local moms or just the community. I just want it to be community-based gathering maybe have events that we can meet each other and really talk about these things.

Tamra: Yeah, that’s awesome.

Reese: A lot of the posts that I do on my page are about my artwork, but the captions are a lot about home and what home means to me and what home means to everyone else. So just to come together and talk about that and come together, even on our similarities and differences in what we’re going through is what I was hoping for.

Tamra: That’s amazing. So tell me if you were to describe your home and I’ve seen many of your posts so I do kind of get a vibe for that, what does home mean to you and maybe what it meant to you circa 10 years ago versus what it means now? How has it evolved?

Reese: Well, I always kind of felt guilty for having a great home and a great childhood and not everyone is as fortunate to have a great home. So, I do donate a lot to Stand Up for Kids and all of that, as well as those homeless teens in the area that is so much in alignment with my heart. So, I was fortunate to have a great home and I have great such great memories. And just the looking back and feeling the warmth, just those memories that you have and luckily enough, my parents still have the home that I grew up in and it’s five minutes down the road from where I live.

Tamra: Wow. That’s awesome.

Reese: So I can just go in there and still have flashbacks, but just those feelings of just the yard, everything like surrounding it, the street, your neighbors inside of the walls of your home, laughter just family support, tears, just everything when you have that loving home and support. I not only want to represent that and also stress how important that is, and that home is so, so important. We need to pour into our homes and really put our heart into, there needs to be a space of comfort and support, but also to support those who not really had that.

Tamra: Yeah, that’s good.

Reese: So, I just want to look at both sides of it and trying to do the best I can too…

Tamra: That’s amazing. So, you have married?

Reese: Yes.

Tamra: Have two kids?

Reese: Just one.

Tamra: One kid. Okay. I saw what, because she had not only done the homes, but she was doing back to school pictures, you were doing back to school pictures and I’m like, oh my gosh, this is her babies? So, one kiddo, how old…

Reese: Yep, one son he’s five.

Tamra: Okay, that’s [inaudible 14:40] right between. So, we’ve got a four-year-old and a six-year-old, but boys are lots of energy, lots of time.

Reese: They are fun.

Tamra: Did he start kindergarten?

Reese: He did.

Tamra: How’s that for you?

Reese: I wasn’t ready, it was tough. It’s getting better. I was worried he was… he is a clinker, he’s a mama’s boy so I was worried that he was just going to break my heart and not want to get on the bus or just cling to me, but he was super excited so that helped a little bit, but just keeping myself super busy so I don’t think about it as much.

Tamra: Sure. Well, good timing to have the Home and Heart-Centered space and the Barefoot Bungalow to kind of launch off of, as he goes in full time, you get to go in full time.

Reese: It was just I was feeling the need for extra support. So…

Tamra: Yeah, that’s awesome.

Reese: All of these ideas started coming in. That’s probably what it stemmed from honestly, I was getting nervous.

Tamra: Absolutely.

Reese: The first day was coming.

Tamra: We’d love to hear any of the other mothers who are out there, who just sent their babies off for the first time. Maybe it was even preschool, maybe you’re in the next bracket and you’re jumping up to middle school. You’ll have to ping us and let us know how you’re handling it now, especially because you got your feet wet and then Dorian happened so then you had a long weekend. So, it was almost like starting all over again for so many people…

Reese: Yeah. That’s true.

Tamra: On Monday. So, I am most interested in, you had said that you felt guilty about having like this healthy home, where did that guilt stem from?

Reese: The root of it? I’m not quite sure. I’ve always felt just so much empathy for anyone that’s having a harder time or not exactly as fortunate as I was growing up or even now. And so, it’s a struggle that I’ve been dealing with just to balance and not get so down on myself because it’s not in my control, but just twist it in a way where I focus my work and serving others to that cause.

Tamra: Yeah, that’s good. And along with serving, I feel like it’s a depraved area for so many people coming from broken homes now trying to establish their own home as the antithesis for what they grew up as. And yet they have no example for how that’s supposed to look or they came from a healthy home and they’ve now stepped into something that’s unhealthy and they don’t know how or why to like, how do I go back? And yet they’re already in this space. So, I feel like you could be even a voice for creating that healthy home, knowing that you’ve had it for so long. And it’s not just stemmed from what you’ve experienced in your creating your own home, but the home that your parents cultivated for you.

Reese: Yes, absolutely. Yeah, I’m excited to see where it can go because there’s so much potential and where it can grow into and how it can help others. So I’m just starting out, but I’m excited.

Tamra: Yeah, it’s really good. That’s the best part to be is you want to be when you’re starting, you better be excited because there’s a lot to come and if you’re not fully bought into your own passion and fully understand the why’s or the how’s that you get there, it’s so easy to turn off  track.

Reese: Oh, yeah.

Tamra: For instance, this is my own problem, for a long time I was like jumping on all the MLM bandwagons and like, oh yeah, I can do that. Oh yeah, I can do that. And I had the entrepreneurial spirit, but I was never bought into what they were doing.

Reese: Right. It’s not coming from your own heart.

Tamra: Right. And so, cultivating that and trying to figure out okay, and I know that they’re super amazing for certain people and they are bought in from a different angle than what I ever was. I use Young Living, I do essential oils, I have Monat the hair product, I have all the things, but I was never fully bought in for my own investment for my own home. And so, I wanted to know, okay, Tamra, you have all these entrepreneurial thoughts and ideas and passions, what can you do that then serves versus taking something that’s already been done? Because I… not to say that you have to reinvent the wheel or start from scratch, but I just was in that space where I knew that there had to be something more from, within for me to stick with it.

Reese: Yeah. It’s kind of difficult too because when you find yourself as a multi-passionate creative, it’s kind of like, you can be all over the place and to learn how to figure out what is really for you. That’s something that I’ve been struggling with too. So that’s kind of, I have all of these overflows of ideas and who I want to do this and you get super excited about all these different things, but just to kind of slow down and really meditate on it and pray on it and make sure that this is exactly what my soul is calling me to do, this is what is in alignment right now.

Tamra: That’s so good and I think also knowing, and this is a part of my journey and that experience of guilt is like that mom guilt space that so many people experience, is that we are moms, we’re wives, we’re employees at other places and yet we have these passion projects that we want to cultivate. And I would feel guilty leaving my kids when it was bedtime in order to go pursue that and be like, oh my gosh, like I want to create this healthy home. And yet is my stepping away breaking what I had already built? And so, kind of going back and forth. My husband declared me this weekend and my daughter too, poor thing that we have a serious case of FOMO that I always want to experience what they’re about to experience with them on the first time because they’re little, so my son was going to learn to wakeboard this weekend.

Reese: Oh, cool.

Tamra: And I was like, well, I want to be on the boat. But it was a situation where I might not be on the boat. And I’m like, well, I want to take pictures. I want to see his first expression; I want to know if it happens. What if it happens and I miss it? And he’s like, well, it’s going to be your first time, the first time you experience it. Those same emotions are going to be created. And I’m like, I don’t agree, I think I need to be there. So, he always like, Tamra you live in this space. But I feel like when you’re living in that space of FOMO and that mom goal, you’re not giving your full presence to the space that you’re supposed to be in that moment, the space, the passion that’s being cultivated within you, the place that your soul is being called to.

And so, being… and you hear about being present. And if you cannot… It’s not about compartmentalizing. All of the people that we are because we wear multiple hats, but it’s knowing that this is my time to be with you. Right? And my kids are safe and taken care of and in the places where they need to be. And I trust that their home, their center, their alignment within themselves is being taken care of. I wouldn’t just like, okay, I’m out, I’ll see you later. But I think that it’s really important for us to let go of that guilt and know that this is a place that we’re also being called to. And that this is a passion, this is something that you’ve prayed over that that you’re stepping into. When all these people come knocking and say, come on my podcast, a guest spot on my blog, come do this video with me, come on my life, it isn’t like you have… I mean, you’ve been working of course towards it, but you aren’t necessarily asking for it.

Reese: Right. And it can come off overwhelming or anxiety can set in. It’s when you’re trying to manifest certain things. And then they happen really fast. And it’s like, oh, then you go back in your shell a little bit. At least I do, I do that sometimes. But I feel it’s a struggle a lot of women deal with. And even when it goes back to the saying, like, what is your why? And a lot of women, I hear my children are my why. And absolutely, they are part of your why, but I want to hear the other part of your why too.

Tamra: So good.

Reese: And I hear that a whole lot. And that’s the first thought in my head yes, we love our kids.

Tamra: Yeah, of course, but I hope you’re living for yourself as well and at least trying to find your soul purpose at the same time. So important.

Tamra: It’s so true. And it’s something I often see it being in the space of like creating retreats for women and having a place where they’re fully immersing themselves, just them without the kids. And hearing people’s responses to why they can’t be there. And obviously kids, I get it like your schedule, you’ve got to get them here and there. And all of the things when daddy’s deployed or daddy’s at work or daddy’s at home, whatever that, that picture looks like of your home. But I’ve then seen fast forward 20 years where there are the women in their fifties and sixties who are just now for the first time coming into who they are because who they were was so wrapped up in their child.

Reese: Just mom, yep.

Tamra: Yeah. And it’s not a place I want to be. I want my kids to know that I know who I am right now. So, that gives them the freedom to experience who they are right now.

Reese: Absolutely. Just showing your children that there is a balance. It’s important too.

Tamra: Absolutely.

Reese: It’s really going to make a difference for them and for them to see that perspective as well as they grow.

Tamra: Absolutely. So, health healthy homes. Right. So, tell me about, what do you do from like a nutrition and fitness perspective for your own body to create that balance? Because that is such an important space of it and I haven’t seen you talk much about it because that’s not really like your genre. So, tell me, where are you on that journey in your own life?

Reese: Well, I have made some huge shifts in my diet lifestyle. I don’t eat meat anymore and I just started that in April.

Tamra: How has that been going? My husband wants to do this and I’m like, I don’t know how you do it.

Reese: I mean, it’s been back and forth for about five years, but it’s been a struggle when you’re married to someone who just loves meat. Like a lot of men are just huge meat eaters and I’ve always been weird about even touching or preparing meat. For a while I would just do crockpot meals where I didn’t have to touch it, I can just dump it in there, that’s what was working for me for a while, but then I still couldn’t enjoy it as much when it was done just for me to eat it. I’ll take a few bites and then I wouldn’t have the appetite of it.

Tamra: How interesting.

Reese: Yeah. So that was just my feeling on it.

Tamra: That’s a huge change.

Reese: And it was just like, okay, enough is enough. I need to just do this for me. Everybody’s journey is different.

Tamra: Yea, of course.

Reese: And even if you’re married to someone or if your kid just likes chicken nuggets and pizza, my kid, he likes chicken and pizza, but he also likes broccoli, fruit and green beans and all that too. So, it’s a balance, but I just had to do it for myself.

Tamra: That’s awesome. That’s really awesome. My husband’s probably the opposite. So, I’m like, I want meat, I feel like I need me to be protein and it’s not because I really like meat versus really liking alternatives. I have a friend who makes me this incredible, like Cajun chickpea meal. It’s amazing, it’s so good and it tastes like meat because there’s that Cajun component.

Reese: The flavoring.

Tamra: The flavoring is really what it is. She’s made me tofu stuff. Sabrina, I’m shouting you out. She owns a company called Fuel Meal Prep, so, she will meal prep for people, she’s also a personal trainer.

Reese: Check her out.

Tamra: Yeah, Sabrina is awesome. She’s actually cooking at the retreat coming up. So, she’ll be there as a personal chef and a personal trainer. But she has taught me that like, okay, I can change my mindset from being little, they have the pyramid of like, okay, you’re supposed to have this in your meal, this in your meal, this and your meal and this as a well-balanced meal, come to find out because my… this is my husband’s like super passionate project I just am a right-wing coming from it, is that he was like that was cultivated by man. That was never a plan, that’s not why you need to eat. Even breakfast was… breakfast, lunch, and dinner were designed by man. Do you think that when people hunted and gathered that they had the privilege of eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner? No

Reese: No. I was just having that conversation with my husband actually the other day.

Tamra: So, they have to wake up really early before the sun, even just to go get the food that then there’s going to have to be prepped in and created later. And then their wives are probably out harvesting and everything at the farm but…

Reese: Absolutely. I said it’s overrated for us to just have to eat many times too, even though I know for our metabolism…

Tamra: Yea, of course.

Reese: But I did bring up in the past that, how do you think they did that? Because it was a lot harder work, I’m sure they didn’t eat that many times through that.

Tamra: No, there’s no time.

Reese: They had to work, their whole life was preparing for survival and their food and they stretched it out.

Tamra: Yeah, they have to, they would… and I remember like my grandparents talking about, I mean, my parents about how they would eat spam or they didn’t have all of these options and you didn’t go to the grocery store and searched for hours for looking for something new and finding and discovering new stuff. It was just, this is what you had.

Reese: We’re a little spoiled with convenience and variety.

Tamra: Yes. Very much so. So, thank you for answering that. Do you have any preference on, do you like to do yoga or anything as far as your personal movement? I’m going to challenge you a little bit if you say no, and it’s okay if you do.

Reese: Okay. I’ve mentioned this is a personal struggle right now that I’m working on. I bought a trampoline for my home.

Tamra: Cool.

Reese: So, I’ve been, what do they call it? Tramping? There’s some training.

Tamra: Training probably won’t be the right word.

Reese: Oh, no.

Tamra: I’m like hold on. That’s not…

Reese: There’s some word out there floating around that people…

Tamra: Maybe just jumping. That’s hysterical.

Reese: You’re right. That doesn’t sound right.

Tamra: It’s awesome. It might have to be the title of this episode.

Reese: Might work.

Tamra: Okay. So, you’ve been jumping.

Reese: Yes.

Tamra: That’s awesome. That’s really fun. Do they have like YouTube videos or anything?

Reese: They do you have…

Tamra: Exercise?

Reese: YouTube videos you can follow along.

Tamra: That’s really cool.

Reese: And so, I just pull it up on my big screen in my living room and I’m just bouncing.

Tamra: That’s awesome. How do you feel?

Reese: I don’t have that much stamina for it right now to really last that long. Because it’s like really arms and legs.

Tamra: You’re like whew [cross-talk 28:50]. That’s good though, get you some toning in there. That’s awesome. I mean, especially if you… I mean, taking the jump to do that in your nutrition and that diet component, that’s a really strict thing to have to do. It takes a lot of like willpower to say no to this. So, if you can engage that in that other component, you’re going to feel amazing come next April.

Reese: Yeah, I have a love-hate relationship with exercise definitely.

Tamra: Is it just the sweat or…?

Reese: I find that if I dedicate, okay, I’m going to start going to the gym I set way too high of goals for myself. So, I’m trying to shift my mindset on it, where this is just healthy for me, this is just detox for my body. I don’t have crazy goals of changing my body or doing all of that. So…

Tamra: That’s awesome.

Reese: Time to work on that mindset because in the past it was just always, I would be

Tamra: Way to strict.

Reese: I do like hot yoga though…

Tamra: Hot yoga is awesome.

Reese: That’s how I lost all of my baby weight after I gave birth to my son.

Tamra: Nice.

Reese: Yes. I gained a lot of weight; I was like I got to get this off. I knew I had to do something very…

Tamra: Was that the first time that you really…

Reese: Did hot yoga?

Tamra: Exercised or just in general or…

Reese: Pretty much, I guess.

Tamra: Yeah. That’s awesome. I have a lot of friends who I remember when I started getting my personal training license in my young twenties, my target market was like 40-year-olds and not intentional that’s just, again what came to me and because all of my friends, for the most part, like they didn’t struggle in that area. They’re small. They’re like the same size, maybe they gained that freshman 15 in college, but there were still out drinking and hanging out. And no one was married with kids at this point. So that wasn’t their emphasis at all.

And then I always knew my mom would always say specifically, like when they have kids wait until they have kids. And we were in the maternity realm at that point. And so I knew like this is going to change. And now to see my friends in this now 30-year-old phase, where most of them have had kids, some haven’t yet, but that is absolutely the next engaging thing because you’re like, hold on a second. I’m out of my comfort zone. This isn’t what I’ve ever been used to. How do I get back to what I’m comfortable with? And it’s not the same because you’ve just had the miraculous gift of birthing a child.

Reese: That’s something to get used to. And you have to find whatever is right for you.

Tamra: Yeah, absolutely. So how did you discover painting as a passion? Because my sister is an artist as well, and I just think it’s amazing. And like to like paint big things, I can do big words and lettering from when I was on the marketing committee in high school, but little stuff other than… I did paint belly cast; did you know that about me?

Reese: Oh no, that’s cool.

Tamra: So cool. So, I painted the Bella cast for eight years…

Reese:Oh wow.

Tamra: And alongside the Mom and Me Boutique. Mom, you’re amazing, love you. She’s taken that over last three years ago. But yeah, so we would cast women fully pregnant and then whatever their nursery theme was, whatever they were passionate about, we would put onto these canvas bellies that we had just created.

Reese: That’s beautiful.

Tamra: I feel like your watercolor would look better than my art though.

Reese: I have to see what you did, that’s beautiful.

Tamra: I will show you. I’ll totally show you. So, how watercolor? Because I think it’s so stunning. It’s so good. You’re so intricate at it.

Reese: I started out with mainly acrylic. My parents are not artistic, but my mom had… one of my mom’s first cousins that she grew up with was her best friend ended up being like my second mom, she was the one who instilled art in me and my sister. So, my sister and I are both artists, painters and graphic designers.

Tamra: Neat, that’s awesome.

Reese: So, I think it just came a lot from her. We would follow her a lot to her studio and just watch her all the time. It started at a really young age as far as I can remember.

Tamra: That’s, amazing.

Reese: So I’ve always enjoyed it, as far as watercolor, I think I just jumped on the bandwagon, to be honest, a lot of colors started becoming popular, especially in the wedding industry and I was just really drawn to it and I started practicing it that way.

Tamra: That’s really cool. Now, have you seen the Bible journaling where they do it the watercolor?

Reese: Yes, that’s beautiful.

Tamra: Like there are people that’s their whole Instagram is around them, like this is so cool. Paint lettering.

Reese: Yeah, people do great jobs with that too

Tamra: Yeah, it’s amazing.

Reese: I wish I was… I admire people who can do the hand lettering.

Tamra: Is that well… do you not do the hand lettering on yours?

Reese: No, those are fonts.

Tamra: Oh, they look amazing.

Reese: Oh, thank you. I do what I can.

Tamra: Yeah, I’m going to totally share.

Reese: Yeah, I know my strengths.

Tamra: Yeah. I get that completely. I have a girlfriend who’s my graphic designer. I’m like all things, here’s the idea you come up with it. So, it’s fun, it’s definitely a fun space to be in because you get to really utilize, think outside of the box, you have to think outside of the box.

Reese: And it just, it feels good to be in flow state.

Tamra: Yes, Ooh, do you ever listen to the flow state podcast?

Reese: I did not.

Tamra: There’s a flow specialist also coming to the retreat and we did an entire podcast on what it means to be in the mental state of flow and how it correlates to like your body flow and everything else.

Reese: That’s amazing, that’s very interesting too how it works.

Tamra: It so is. So, if you haven’t looked it up, I don’t remember what it’s Jeannie Landis is the flow specialist…

Reese: Okay, yeah. I’ll look her up.

Tamra: Of our area. She’s incredible. I keep telling her she needs to do a workshop at the annex.

Reese: I would definitely go.

Tamra: So, that’s another thing as we’re talking about the annex and I can first see you putting on workshops, whether it’s either learning the fundamentals of watercolor, but really, I’m thinking of the Home and Heart- Centered space.

Reese: It’s coming up.

Tamra: You said… okay.

Reese: I’ve been brainstorming on some things.

Tamra: Yes, I love it. I love all things new business blossom. Like that’s all where my heart is.

Reese:  feels good.

Tamra: It does. So, when my girlfriend who is launching her website today for her passion project.

Reese: That’s exciting.

Tamra: Yes. From [inaudible 35:26] little princess, check her out and so, do you have like a full-on website yet for Home and Heart Centered? Is it also may be in the forecast?

Reese: No, I going back and forth on whether I need a website Even just for the Barefoot Bungalow, I have like a small e-commerce landing page.

Tamra: Okay, so it’s like Esty.

Reese: I do have an Etsy shop but other than that have like a small landing page too that just showcases my products and you can shop through there as well, but maybe,

Tamra: Yeah. So, a lot of your stuff’s just all freelance just through your real estate people knowing you? That’s so awesome. So, majority, all Virginia Beach or Hampton Roads?

Reese: Yep, I can do hand delivery in Hampton roads. And they come with cute little bags. So, you can… with black ribbons and I make them look nice and pretty for to just… all you have to do is hand it right off to your clients or buyers or sellers.

Tamra: That’s so awesome.

Reese: And I can ship nationwide.

Tamra: Okay, awesome.

Reese: I have a lot of clients in Texas and Louisiana.

Tamra: Oh, interesting.

Reese: Not, sure why.

Tamra: No family there, that [inaudible 36:31]?

Reese: No.

Tamra: Alright, there you go. That’s awesome. It must be something with Google ads or like grabbing your keywords, just go with it just let the doors open. So, question going towards your faith. So, we talked about fitness and I want to hear, and you’ve mentioned God briefly and the meditative and the prayer. What does that look like as a part of your home?

Reese: I am definitely am more spiritual. I actually have my personal Instagram page that turned into my spiritual journey page.

Tamra: Oh, cool.

Reese: I’ve been going through a spiritual awakening for the past three years.

Tamra: Wow, Okay.

Reese: So, I’ve been really opening up about that and it’s interesting…

Tamra: What’s that page called?

Reese: Just Patrice Jackson, my name.

Tamra: Alright. So, tell me about that experience. Because I feel like there are so many different layers to it and even just some of the keywords that you’re sharing they are a part of my testimony. So, it has it been like a therapy journey. Have you been to therapy for it? Has it just been a personal, like diving in?

Reese: It’s been very personal. I just started out with a lot of questions and feeling a loss a bit. Always… I grew up nondenominational Christian. I grew up in the church and I still had lots of questions and always been very strong in my faith. But just as I got older, just thinking for myself a little bit more.

Tamra: Yeah, sure.

Reese: And so I had questions and then I hit postpartum depression and that really just, I had to dig myself out of there and that’s how all of… but when you’re sitting and still missed and listening and going within and you don’t, you don’t know the next steps or what’s coming next. That’s where you find the answers.

Tamra: So, if you were to give insight to somebody like currently going through that they’re in that place and they’re crying out Reese, how do I? What do I? Where do I? How do you navigate towards that? Have you helped anybody else?

Reese: I hope that I’m helping people through my… like I mentioned my Instagram page. Some people are a little standoffish about it a little bit with the background and if they’re super religious, just different perspectives. Not a lot of others are as open to looking at things a little differently. So personally, speaking to others, I haven’t been comfortable open up about it just yet. Just like one on one, because you never know how people are going to react.

Tamra: Yea, of course.

Reese: But on my page I do, I have a lot of positive messages.

Tamra: That’s amazing.

Reese: Everybody is in my DMs just telling me. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Tamra: That’s so good,

Reese: So, I feel like I am making a difference and every time I do a lot of videos on there on different topics all geared towards helping inspiring and encouraging other spiritual waking and noops, is like what I like to call it. So just to make them feel more comfortable, they’re not alone and make sure they don’t feel like they’re going crazy because they’re not going crazy.

Tamra: That is a huge thing. And I don’t know, I always call it my quarter-life crisis. And it’s probably not funny when I wasn’t funny when I was actually experiencing it. I’m sure you can resonate and know that it’s not a funny experience to go through.

Reese: No, it’s difficult.

Tamra: And I experienced components of postpartum with my son and then again with my daughter and son, but it was after like she was a year old and I was still in this fog of identity crisis. And like, what am I doing? Who am I, where am I going? And it was way deeper and I had to understand what those roots were before I could ever move forward. But it did take for me personal therapy as well as that personal experience of just reading, listening, being, that’s when I let go of Monitor Maternity and Maternity Boutique because I was pursuing something that I didn’t even know why or where I was going.

In addition to comprehending motherhood comprehending being a wife, even though I had been a wife for that many years, I’m like, hold on a second. Like this isn’t what I imagined it would be, how do I navigate this moving forward? So to allow people that space and grace to say, it’s okay to navigate it. And, and it’s also really important to confront it because otherwise you’re seeing things stagnant in this sense of brokenness or this sense of quote and quote crazy

Reese: You definitely have to push through it. It’s definitely worth it.

Tamra: Oh, 100%

Reese: It’s a difficult journey, but it is worth it.

Tamra: Yeah, it is. It absolutely is.

Reese: I feel like a totally different person now. And I experienced so much immense bliss and joy that I’ve never experienced before and I’ve always been a happy-ish person like that never struggled with depression or anything like that before. So to come on the other side and like, know the difference between what I thought I was happy and now feeling what true happiness feels like.

Tamra: Oh so, good.

Reese: It’s amazing.

Tamra: So good. That’s really beautiful. So, you had a kid at that point, obviously, as you were walking through that, if it’s been for, how long did you say about three years?

Reese: Yes.

Tamra: That you’ve been doing it? How has your spouse like to come alongside you during that time?

Reese: So, he is not very vocal, I like to talk a lot about how I’m feeling and communicating.

Tamra: Sure, typical [inaudible 42:02] man.

Reese: Yes. And he listens, he’s a good listener and he’s starting to open up and he is on the same page, so he’s…

Tamra: That’s awesome, that helps.

Reese: Getting where I’m coming from.

Tamra: Yeah. It’s different because like they internalize so much. It’s not that they’re not listening, it’s not that they’re not responding, they’re just responding and how they know how to respond. So, I’ve found that in order to like to meet my husband in those needs, it’s been my ability to listen. And sometimes that listening is me being really quiet and giving him space after I answer a question, one, not to answer his question for him or two well, let me tell you what I’m thinking. I’m weird when there’s this void of silence.

Reese: Silence, they process a little bit more.

Tamra: Yeah. So, like giving them that space and then just, all right, well, we’ll talk about it later. I’d love to know what you’re thinking or I’d love to know what comes about maybe after you simmer on it for a couple of days and circling back to those conversations.

Reese: Exactly, we’re actually going through a 33-day journey together.

Tamra: Cool.

Reese: And every night we put aside 15, 30 minutes.

Tamra: That’s awesome.

Reese: And that’s been amazing. His feedback has been awesome. He’s opening up more.

Tamra: That’s really cool. Is it like a book? Or is it just an activity that you found.

Reese: I watch a lot of Gaia.

Tamra: Gaia.

Reese: Gaia Tv.

Tamra: Okay. Yeah.

Reese: So, it was someone that was on a show, I don’t remember what show he was on, but he was promoting his 33- day journey. And basically, they just send you emails every day. And within the email, it has…

Tamra: Like you’re prompt or okay…

Reese: That you can really practice.

Tamra: That is really cool. I did one a few years ago and it was a 30-day practice and the front of the book looks like what to expect when you’re expecting it’s super cheesy and horrible, but it was called, I want to say it was project 33, but that was a clothing thing that I did. Have you ever heard of that?

Reese: No.

Tamra: Where you minimize your closets of 30 items and you will do it for three months and you can only wear those third 30 items…

Reese: I think I’m already there though. I’m weird, I don’t like shopping.

Tamra: I would not guess that about you so stylish.

Reese: Thank you.

Tamra: You’re welcome.

Reese: I have like five stylish outfits.

Tamra: Well, I’ll make sure each time you compliment your five outfits. That’s awesome, that’s really cool. So anyway, it was like this, it was a 30-day project, but it was supposed to be in secret from your spouse and you are supposed to do something for them every day.

Reese: Oh, that’s nice.

Tamra: And you’re not supposed to comment. I did this for you and there’s supposed to be no real end goal other than to see the transformation of your own heart and the transformation of their heart.

Reese: I like that

Tamra: And I tried to get a couple of girls to do it with me, but I don’t think, I think I ended up doing it solo, but this book is pink and so my daughter, of course, being a little girl, like she navigated towards this book since she was walkable and could reach the shelf and she would pull this book out and he knew after the fact that I had done it because it’s one of those things that by the end when you’ve changed something so immensely, they’re going to notice you’re in such close quarters, they’re like, Oh, thanks so much. There was a lot of like gratitude coming from it. And my desire to like want to do those things more often became almost like a need versus I want to do it, but I never do it. It was, I need to do something today.

Reese: That’s beautiful.

Tamra: So she would just pull this book off the shelf and it would be, I mean, we were going through highs and lows, highs and lows experiencing that spiritual awakening concept, that identity evolution he had to come alongside as I was figuring out who I was, and that is not an easy job for anybody to do. Even in friendship. I’ve had a lot of friends lost because they don’t get it. And they’re like, who are you? Why are you? And I didn’t feel like I was different. I knew I had a lot of differences, but I wasn’t a different person at my heart center. And I just came into my joy, I came into this conversation of like, this is who I am and I’m not going to be apologetic for it one way or another, because I felt like I lived a lot of my life around shame already.

I didn’t want to step out of that shame and step into the shame of being somebody that I knew I was supposed to be. So anyway, she would bring this book around the house and I would just see it laying around. And obviously naturally as a mom go to put it away, but every single time it was like this subtle reminder saying, don’t forget, don’t forget, don’t forget. And so, the book is now put on a different shelf because we’ve moved since then. But my daughter, I’ll always remember her carrying around that little pink book because she couldn’t even read.

Reese: That’s beautiful though.

Tamra: She couldn’t even speak like such a sign from the heavens of just like…

Reese: Transformation.

Tamra: A little note here and there. So, it’s interesting to see how our kids then exude those spiritual awakening pieces of identity into their lives because you’re giving them the freedom to do so. It’d be cool as your son continues to grow. What’s his name?

Reese: Christian.

Tamra: Christian. I love it. Yeah. It’ll be cool to see how that continues to evolve.

Reese: We meditate a lot. I do meditation with him and teach him breathing techniques.

Tamra: Okay, awesome. That’s really cool. Is he calm natured like you?

Reese: No.

Tamra: Okay, so it’s more of a need than. That sounds like my son. So, there is…you have to look up this guy named William Hoff. So, he actually was like the longest standing free diver, beneath glaciers and had to practice this like element of breathing in order to be able to do that.

Reese: Imagine so.

Tamra: But he could like put his, he was trying to teach his body to go into a state of hypothermia so that he was prepared for the true state of hypothermia and how to work his way back out of it. And so, he can raise his temperature and decrease his temperature all by breathwork. And so, it’s, he has this, I mean, he’s incredibly brilliant and he’s had neuroscientists around him studying all the things that he’s learned. But that it can teach us how to get healthy just off of breath. Like if you’re ailing and sick, for some reason, you know, some sort of disease, even though the cancer component that breathwork can actually be proven to get you through it in addition to it’s the mindset through the breathwork and all of those things. So, I totally believe in the experience of practicing that and how important it is, just mindfulness in general and I am not good.

Reese: Yeah, makes a huge difference yes.

Tamra: It does. It does. So, teachers, I don’t know if it’s still available, but there’s an app called the calm app. Have you heard of this?

Reese: It’s kind of meditative app.

Tamra: Yeah. And it’s a subscription. So if it’s kind of pricey if it’s paid for, I think it’s, I want to say 49 or $69 a month, but there’s, I mean, it was really long meditation to really short meditations for children all the way up to adults and everything that you can think of, stress, anxiety, maternity, posts, maternity, I mean all of the topics are covered and they recently let it be free for teachers.

Reese: Oh, that’s wonderful.

Tamra: So that you can practice it in their classrooms because of how important…

Reese: That would be great.

Tamra: Is it to just five minutes, we’re just going to calm down. They have bedtime story ones that you can listen to with your child, even though we should probably be reading to them. But sometimes you just don’t have time for that. So, it’s like here, listen to this, I’ll be back in five minutes. And so, I haven’t fully experienced the app and everything that it’s offered personally, but for the kids, we listened to it. So, something to look into calm is what it’s called.

Reese: Yes.

Tamra: So, what else? Tell me anything, tell me anything. If we were just having coffee and we were just getting to know each other, or you wanted to ask me a question.

Reese: Well are you from here?

Tamra:I am born and raised, how about you.

Reese: Me too.

Tamra: Yeah? Husband too?

Reese: Yup.

Tamra: My husband too. What school did you go to?

Reese: Landstown.

Tamra: Okay. I was Ocean Lakes, my husband is Kellam.

Reese: My husband’s Salem.

Tamra: Salem, look at it, man. I love it. From your neck of the woods. Did you know him in high school?

Reese: I did not.

Tamra: Okay. How did you guys meet?

Reese: Oh Lord.

Tamra: Uh-Oh. There’s a story.

Reese: At a club.

Tamra: Yeah, I knew I was coming out.

Reese: At a club. I don’t know if you guys remember? But there used to be a club at the oceanfront called Club Exist.

Tamra: Okay. Yeah, I do.

Reese: Did you go?

Tamra: Yeah, I’ve been there, done that. You are not alone Sister that’s in our previous days, right?

Reese: So, it was winter break of my freshman year of college.

Tamra: Okay. And you went to college around here or?

Reese: VCU.

Tamra: VCU. Oh, that’s right. You said that at the beginning. Okay. Really cool. So he was, is he older than you?

Reese: Two years older.

Tamra: Okay. So, he was in school at the time or working?

Reese: No, he didn’t go to school. He went through the apprentice program at used to be North of Grumman now Huntington Ingalls.

Tamra: Okay. Neat. Is he still there? Okay. Wow. That’s a long duration of being in the same place. That’s awesome. Good for him. I think like a story, the evolution of people’s stories, especially if you’ve known each other’s that long. And like I said, walking through any sort of change in your relationship. Did you guys date a long time before you got married or…

Reese: We dated, well, we’ve been together for 13 years. We’ve been married for going on seven at the end of this month.

Tamra: Okay, we’re so similar. We were 11, 12 together this year and we’ve been married for seven.

Reese: Oh wow.

Reese: So that’s interesting.

Tamra: Very interesting. And we, I mean, we did like so much traveling when we were first together and like we lived it up, so we had a baby pretty soon after we got married, like we were ready because Coop’s six, going to be seven in June.

Reese: Yeah, I think I was 24 when I had my son.

Tamra: Okay. Yeah, really, really cool. I just love learning about people. I think that that’s something we don’t do enough of. It’s so fast when you’re at a networking event or, you know, it’s like you want this time with people or you find them on Instagram or social media nowadays. And this is the part just circling back to like the developing friendships. Like you are only as big as what you put yourself out there to be.

Reese: I know yes.

Tamra: And it is uncomfortable sometimes and being vulnerable with somebody new it’s like, I don’t know if I can even trust them. And here I am shoving a mic in your face. That’s what trust means, trust all the followers and all the listeners, same time. It’s like it’s the growing opportunity that then gives you another space to say, Oh yeah, she’s got my back even if we don’t talk for another month or so, I think that it’s really important for us to know within our community that there are people advocating for our success advocating for our growth and advocating for the things that you believe in.

Reese: Absolutely.

Tamra: Totally believe in Home and Heart-Centered.

Reese: Thank you.

Tamra: You’re welcome. I’m excited.

Reese: I’m excited about that. And this is another thing that I’ve been trying to push myself to get out there more. And I think it comes with the spiritual awakening or the spiritual alignment and just being able to trust the process. So, then you don’t close off any opportunities are more open to more opportunities and meeting new people and being able to see the red flags and reading people’s vibes and knowing that this is not the space for me or this is not the group for me.

Tamra: Absolutely.

Reese: And just working around that and not taking it as personally. Do you know what I mean?

Tamra: Absolutely, I agree. And that’s a part of, you know, setting expectations around people are not having expectations and walking into a situation and just being like, this is just an opportunity and we’ll see where it goes. And not that limitation on your experience because before whether we limited ourselves from our own closed-off mindset or we limited ourselves because we didn’t think that we were good enough or worthy enough or whatever it be qualified enough like we are enough. And so, walking into an experience that is seemingly handed to you because this is so organic, there was nothing non-organic and nobody said, go do this, do this and meet this person, do this, we just landed here. And I love that, iI love that.

Reese: And thank you for inviting me.

Tamra: Yeah, my pleasure. It really is.

Reese: An honor.

Tamra: Yeah. It’s been amazing. I’m so excited for the people who are on the other end to get to listen to you, you surely exude this air of wisdom and truth that I can see it…

Reese: Talking to you.

Tamra: Like in everything that you are.

Reese: Thank you.

Tamra: And I think it’s really amazing to be able to then take that passion and that natural tendency into what you do because it’s a gift to be able to do that. It is painting in and of itself, has that I call it woosah, which is my centering word. If I’m like, Oh, there’s a lot going on, like woosah, just get through it, you’ll be okay. Is that painting, when I used to do the belly casting, it was like, you can’t really think of anything else I couldn’t anyway. It was you were right there…

Reese: So focus.

Tamra: In the midst of it and yet free at the same time. Because there’s this color experience…

Reese: It’s hard to explain it, but it’s the best feeling.

Tamra: It is that flow. That’s what that flow is. And so, people get it in so many different ways. And that’s what I love about meeting new people is like, what, what triggers you in a good way?

Reese: So, interesting.

Tamra: Yeah. It’s so, so cool. So, you’re going to be at the book club on Thursday.

Reese: I am.

Tamra: We’ve already plugged in next month, so we’re going to do it again. So the book club is hosted on the first Thursday of every month?

Reese: Second Thursday.

Tamra: Second Thursday of every month. And they follow along with entrepreneurial books or just passion books or bestsellers or whatever it be. Right. Have you done nonfiction and fiction?

Reese: No, it’s pretty much the same.

Tamra: Okay. It’s mainly on nonfiction. Okay. Self-Help kind of things and I usually see what they’re doing and then listen to the audible, I’m an audible person with baby, well, I say, babies, my babies aren’t really anymore, but I still say that they’re toddlers. And just with busy, like life, it’s a great travel experience and opportunity to listen, Though I do love holding a book. So, I might see you this Thursday, that would be really fun.

Reese: Okay, I hope to see you there.

Tamra: That’d be awesome. Let’s see each other outside of the lights that are being shined on this community.

Reese: This is the best community there honestly is, and it’s real and raw people are honest and it’s always authentic, genuine people that are all about community over competition.

Tamra: And I think that what inspired me even more to go, it was that Megan said, some people don’t even read the book. They just come because they know that the topic is good. And I’m like, great.

Reese: Great, I’m usually one of those people, I’m not ashamed.

Tamra: Any maybe then what they read about, I will then be engaged enough to go get the audible version and listen. But the one that really stuck out recently and it’s funny as we talked through and again, there’s a specific word. It almost sounds like you are a therapist, even if you haven’t even walked through therapy, what you’ve learned self-learned self-taught is so good. It’s so good. So, give yourself credit for everything that you walk through because you, you absolutely have what it takes to keep moving forward, but also to shed light for other people and I love that about you. But that it was called an excuse my language, this is supposed to be like a wholesome podcast, but it’s Un-fuck Yourself. Yeah. It’s such a book.

Reese: It is.

Tamra: And then the accent, the Irish accent, like got me because at first, I was like, I don’t know if I can listen to this guy the whole way through, but sure enough. I went straight through when I was driving with my kiddos, everyone was asleep, then I listened to it and it was such good wisdom around all of the same things that we’re talking about. Just a little bit more like nail on the head probably for a man is there’s no like caressing, there’s no like raw soft emotion in that book, but it’s like to the point and I’m like, okay…

Reese: Sometimes that works better.

Tamra: I value what you’re putting down. Some people do need that. So maybe I’m not the right podcast and you should go listen to his book. But in the meantime, thank you so much for listening. It was such a pleasure to have you. And I’m excited to see where all your passion projects go, how far the collaborations can happen, and how our community is really going to benefit from everything that you’ve walked through.

Reese: Thank you so much.

Tamra: It’s a ripple effect.

Reese: It definitely is.

Tamra: You’re welcome.

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